Curse

Avarre · Mar 03, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Well, his build is more set up to lay on a warrior and then run away, leaving them dying. My opinions on that are stated - hex removal is a pain. With holy veil change, it might be somewhat more viable though. Cripple is better imho as the whole point is just to stay away and let them die, and not let them get any hits off at all.

Ineptitude, especially now that it does 140~ damage and blind, would be better when combined with more 'X effect when attacking' skills... maybe Serpent's quickness and Ineptitude + Clumsiness? Or Deadly Riposte + Inep + Clum?

Worth looking at, I suppose.

Kriel Drache · Mar 06, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Actually, the main reason I wanted Crippling Anguish as the Elite Skill is if the Warrior calls in one of his Warrior buddies so the Mesmer can slow him down while he works on killing the first Warrior. I want the Mesmer to be able to work without interruption from another person.

mariano · Mar 09, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

My spike mesmer build:

fast casting:
illusion: 8-9
domination: 16
inspiration:9-10

Spike part:
1Phantom Pain
2Shatter Delusions
3Energy Surge
4Energy Burn

Defensive part:
5Spirit of Failure
6Distortion
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

Of the spike part, Phantom Pain + Shatter Delusions may be the main skills, because they recharge faster, they do not depend upon the target's energy and they are usefull as a final thrust. Aslo, they are casted in first place to lower the foe's health and get a bigger relative damage with the other two. Am I right?

Other similar build which I have tried is with
1Phantom Pain
2Shatter Delusions
3Energy Burn
4Shatter Enchantment
5Signet of Midnight
6Drain Enchantment
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

This build may be weaker than the previous build, the idea of using 4Shatter Enchantment and 6Drain Enchantment is to not be so obsessed by bonder monks... . The Signet of Midnigh is easier to use, and may be combined with Epidemic to try to have under control warriors, but, may be less effective than Spirit of Failure + Distortion as self help.

And another build based in the burns spikes is:

1Distortion
2Energy Surge
3Energy Burn
4Mind Wrack
5Signet of Waeriness
6Energy Tap
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

The idea is to do spike damage by draining energy, for this I try to find the oportunity to trigger Mind Wrack, the oportunity may come as the fight becomes long and energy may get low. For this build Energy Tap and Ether Feast are required for energy and health as well for they draining of energy!

Who knows which one is the drop of energy which will trigger Mind Wrack?

Any comment?

holden · Mar 09, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariano

My spike mesmer build:

fast casting:
illusion: 8-9
domination: 16
inspiration:9-10

Spike part:
1Phantom Pain
2Shatter Hex
3Energy Surge
4Energy Burn

Defensive part:
5Spirit of Failure
6Distortion
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

Of the spike part, Phantom Pain + Shatter Hex may be the main skills, because they recharge faster, they do not depend upon the target's energy and they are usefull as a final thrust. Aslo, they are casted in first place to lower the foe's health and get a bigger relative damage with the other two. Am I right?

Other similar build which I have tried is with
1Phantom Pain
2Shatter Hex
3Energy Burn
4Shatter Enchantment
5Signet of Midnight
6Drain Enchantment
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

This build may be weaker than the previous build, the idea of using 4Shatter Enchantment and 6Drain Enchantment is to not be so obsessed by bonder monks... . The Signet of Midnigh is easier to use, and may be combined with Epidemic to try to have under control warriors, but, may be less effective than Spirit of Failure + Distortion as self help.

And another build based in the burns spikes is:

1Distortion
2Energy Surge
3Energy Burn
4Mind Wrack
5Signet of Waeriness
6Energy Tap
7Ether Feast
8Resurrection Signet

The idea is to do spike damage by draining energy, for this I try to find the oportunity to trigger Mind Wrack, the oportunity may come as the fight becomes long and energy may get low. For this build Energy Tap and Ether Feast are required for energy and health as well for they draining of energy!

Who wich one is the drop of energy which will trigger Mind Wrack?

Any comment?

sooooo who are you spiking with pp/shatter hex? or did you mean shatter delusions?

mariano · Mar 09, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by holden

sooooo who are you spiking with pp/shatter hex? or did you mean shatter delusions?

Soooorry. You are right.

DoctorEvil · Mar 10, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

I have a general Mesmer build that I use for most PvE situations. It seems to work pretty well, but is heavily anti-caster.

Domination :16 (Superior Domination Rune and Domination Mask)
Illusion: 10
Fast Casting:10
Inspiration: Everything else

My typical skill list is with commentary;

1. Conjure Phantasm (Illusion): Give Health Degen -5 for 10 seconds. This spell is generally good against everything. Useful when combined with Empathy or Backfire to take down a foe.

2. Empathy (Domination): For 21 seconds, whenever foe attacks he takes 31 damage. Useful against Warrior/Ranger types. Long effect time of 21 seconds is nice.

3. Backfire (Domination): For 10 seconds, whenver foe casts a spell he takes 147 damage. One of the key spells for taking down enemy spellcasters. Combine with Conjure Phantasm for good effect. Luckily in PvE, the monsters still cast with this one them.

4. Power Block (Elite Domination): Interrupt foe casting a Spell. Disables the spell and ALL spell of the same attribute for 16 seconds. A great shut-down interrupt. Disabling all spells of the same attribute is very useful against most enemy spellcasters.

5. Leech Signet (Inspiration): Interrupt target foes action, gain some energy. The key to this interrupt is that it’s a zero cost signet and it interrupts ACTIONS not spells.

6. Power Drain (Inspiration): Interrupt target foes spell, gain some energy. At 5 energy this is a nice low cost interrupt, whatever energy you gain is a plus.

7. Power Spike (Domination): Interrupt target foes spell, foe takes 107 damage. The other must have interrupt as it deals a good amount of damage.

8. Rebirth (Monk): Emergency Res. If necessary.

I most situations the first three skills (CP, Emp, & BF) are always in my skill bar. Slots 4 through 8 can vary depending on the situtation. Cry of Frustration often ends up in one of those slots as it interrupts skills not just spells and deals damage & interrupts adjenct foes. Shatter Hex/Enchantment are also very useful for removal/damage dealing. Echo/Arcane Echo gives you twice the firepower if you find a certain spell works well. Energy Surge is a good opening and finishing move.

LightningHell · Apr 16, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

IMO, DoctorEvil, dropping Power Spike for Clumsiness might be good. Glad to see some more PvE Power Blocking

EDIT: Oh, didn't notice this was one-and-a-half month inactive already.

Magic Mage Yuna · Apr 16, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

I say this build
Ipetitude
arcane echo
glyph of lesser energy
spirited shackles
conjure phantasm
res sig

ayanaftw · Apr 17, 2006, 03:55 AM // 03:55

i use IW for my pve randomness
me/mo
Illusionary weaponary
conjure p.
channeling
res sig
leech sig
power drain
ether feast
energy tap

use channeling as a enchant cover. if the enchant removal's really heavy in tat area then dont use iw.

shoot n loot · Apr 24, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

i Recently started a mesmer (well bout 3 weeks ago) and im enjoying it immensly (just got FoW chest piece for him last night and its like.. great) but anyways on to the point

i agree with the standard interrupt build but heres an idea for IW

16 (sup illuision and illusion mask) Illusion magick
11 inspiration
Rest in fast cast

IW, Flurry, Ether Feast, Conjure Phantasm (or Arcane Conundrum) ,Illusion of weakness, Distortion (this is great for 1v1 vs wars cas you can hit them and they cant hit you. plus you loose 1 energy per hit which you regen faster then they can hit you), Clumsiness, and Res signet.

Note Clumsiness is a very good skill, specially if you use a good weapon set up (im using a Max, req 9 +14%^50%, sundering 10/9 (not that that matters, but now the important part) enchantments +19% flamberge and The RockMolder which: is max, req 9, +12 energy, +10% casting speed, and illusion +1 (20%). With the rockmolder you can end up hitting in 100s with Clumsiness and spamming 44 with IW.

ALSO: idea~~ why not make a build using Arcane Echo, Ineptitude, Clumsiness, and Empathy as an anti war

These are mostly pvp builds however, ive found (not like a solo build) you can solo around 2 or 3 lvl 22 sand drakes and the like with IW build easily.

REPLY WITH IDEAS, just a test message

PS: for IW you really need the +18% or more on your sword, it helps a ton and lets you almost always keep IW up. Tell Me What You Think

shoot n loot · Apr 26, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

As Far as im concerned, IW mesmers are not dead~!, ppl do not coutner them often and they are highly effective in PVP and even quite able to solo in PVE (not like 55, but reasonably well like 3 lvl 20-24 mobs)

Mesmer/Warrior

heres my attributes:

Illusion: 16 (12 + 1 [mask] +3 [sup illusion rune]
Inspiration 11 (10 + 1 [minor inspiration rune]
Rest in Fastcasting

SKILLS :::

Illusionary Weaponry {elite}
Flurry
Ether Feast
Conjure Phantasm
Illusion of Weakness {precast before fighting, for an emergency heal}
Distortion {-1 energy per hit, basically anti warrior skill}
Clumsiness {near 100 dmg and easy to get on ppl}
Res sig {everyone has it, or should have it}

Basically: use IW to do 42 dmg per swing no matter what (no evasion/blocking/dodging it) 44 on occasion if you opt to use an offhand like the Rockmolder such as i do. Flurry is spammable and thats what its there for!, its the only stance you should be using unless your under heavy warrior atttack (in which case spam distortion instead). Ether Feast is a quick pop off skill for 90ish heal, Phantasms just to annoy ppl with a 5 degen that lasts a long time, Clumsiness + distortion is what you should use vs a war (on top of IW they will go down before you )
Dont Forget: Cast Illusion of WEakness before a battle, so that when you get down to 25% you get healed fro near 250 health.

Terra Xin · Jul 12, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

quick question!! I'm not at home so I can't try this out, but does IW work with Vigorous Spirit?

Avarre · Jul 12, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

It counts as an attack, even if it doesn't hit, so yes.

Antigone · Jul 24, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by valorien

regardless of the other skills in a build, which one of these two skills is better/more useful to a party. If it makes any difference I'd rather it help PvP than PvE, but ideally it would be good for both.

Backfire: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content/backfire-id399.php
or
Chaos Storm: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...torm-id401.php

I always have those two equipped during PvE - "Chaos Storm" works great with my secondary Necro skills "Suffering" and "Shadow of Fear" - when all combined i can slow down grouped enemies, hex their life AND take their energy all in one go!

It tends to take a lot out of me - so i usually energy tap on one of them while this is going on. It works everytime though - if they survive then my team mates just need a few more hits and everybody is dead ^.^

LightningHell · Jul 25, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antigone

I always have those two equipped during PvE - "Chaos Storm" works great with my secondary Necro skills "Suffering" and "Shadow of Fear" - when all combined i can slow down grouped enemies, hex their life AND take their energy all in one go!

I stopped using Chaos Storm after the AoE update.

Well, well, everyone has their own playstyle...

Antigone · Jul 27, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

I stopped using Chaos Storm after the AoE update.

Well, well, everyone has their own playstyle...

True but I find that since I've made it to Cantha from Tyria the enemies in JaJa bluffs and that general area of cantha are still pretty slow when it comes to chaos storm.

just a quick question - what did you use to replace chaos storm?

Dean Harper · Jul 29, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

i believe this is a shutdow mesmer but am not sure, it is purely for factions, because i never got my account merged:

Domination: 16 (+1mask, +3rune)
Illusion: 0
Inspiration: 10 (+1rune)
Fast Casting: 9 (+1 rune)

Skills:

Empathy
Backfire
Mind Wrack
Spirit Shackles
Diversion
Ether Feast
Power Block {E}
Res Sig

this is jsut wat i use, i also use interrupt witht the same attributes and these skills:

Complicate
Power Spike
Empathy or Leech Sig
Backfire or Sig of Disruption
Power Drain
Cry of Frustration
Power Block
Res Sig

Tell me if you have any suggestions for eitehr build

Ferrous Capuchin · Oct 06, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laetitia of Yenemi

I know this has probably be talked about before, but what about a ME/W for PvE. Here is my thought. Since Illusionary Weaponry says the damage output is set, and there is no worry about armor, you can focus all you attributes on Mesmer skills (maybe a few in tactics if you want a shield). ...

There are definitely better experts than I for Illus Weap, but here's some thoughts...

You aren't restricted by any minimum req on your weapon, while getting full benefit from mods (say +7 armor sword hilt or something). This plus a +16 armor shield makes for some respectable armor level where you won't get chewed up so fast. Lay on an extra armor-boosting stance or signet, and you become survuvable in the thick of things.

My tactic has been to throw a hex or two at my target, then charge in with IW, then spam flurry and miscellaneous signets as needed. Even bosses drop pretty quickly. I'll throw on a defensive/evasion stance and run out of melee if things get hairy, then repeat at the next opportunity.

Most enemy groups are totally wiped out after three or four cycles of this. I call it "Bobbing for Baddies".

(edited to add another thought) Also of note, the IW core build still leaves 3 or 4 skill slots open to tweak the direction of your play style, e.g. you can be more energy focused, or interrupt focused, or anti-caster focused, etc which gives a lot of flexibility depending on the types of enemies you face. It shines best if there are at least 1 or 2 dedicated other warriors in your group which draw the initial aggro from enemies, giving you the flexibility to choose the best target. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."

sadge man · Dec 13, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizayaen

I never could figure out why entire threads are so quick to trash Mind Wrack. For some reason nobody ever mentions pairing it with Spirit Shackles. Seems to me that'd be a pretty decent combination.

I use that combination all the time, no other e-denail skills need to be used (if playing a war) spirit shackles + empathy +mind wrak +ineptitude=dead war thats 45 dmg and 5 energy taken of an anemy every time they swing there weapon and there blind so do no dmg

moop · May 04, 2007, 11:53 PM // 23:53

I've stuck to this build for quite a while and it works out pretty well for me (no elite skills):

Mesmer/Monk
Fast Casting:11
Domination Magic:14
Inspiration Magic:10
Healing Prayers:1

Empathy
Cry of Frustration
Energy Burn (I'll change that to Energy Surge when I cap it)
Ether Feast
Shatter Enchantment
Backfire
Power Spike
Shatter Hex -OR- Restore Life (depends on whether I'm with people or just henchies and heroes)

I did have to change my skills a tiny bit in hopes of defeating Glint (which still hasn't happened yet...) to the following:

Substitute Energy Burn with Blackout
Substitute Shatter Enchantment with Diversion
Substitute Power Spike with Inspired Hex
and use Restore Life since it's for a mission.